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I made some calls yesterday to some providers of chips for the 20VT, to get info, thought people may be interested:

1. Stealth Racing, Southam, suppliers of APR chips - Very helpful on phone. They told me that they had had very few probs with AYP engines, and were reliably getting 200Bhp+ with all 20VT engines. When I asked about other mods to compliment chip, he said the only thing initially would be a Forge DV, but if standard DV not playing up it won't make too much difference.
The price for the APR chip, fitted is £449 + VAT. Advised against Induction kits and panel filters.

2. Jabbasport - Spoke to Elton, again very helpful. He told me that they were reliably getting anywhere between 200 and 22Bhp from their 20 VT chips, on both AQX and AYP engiones, and said they had had no probs with AYP engines. Reckoned they have a Golf 4 with the same engine there, running 400 Bhp! Said their chips wre better as they wre mapped individually to your engine as opposed to off the shelf.
Their price was £425 +VAT.

3. RSD - Had a very long and enlightening conversation with them. Warned away from mods such as induction kits etc. They told me that Oettinger, the chip they do, is the only one that is comparable to the standard chip, in that it does not bypass any systems, cause faults or anything adverse, as he said Oettingers designers had access to the VW/Audi programs for the chip, as opposed to other tuning companies whose chips may cause overboosting etc, and will bypass ECU's failsafe to achieve this, which can cause problems. He said that because of this they honour any warranty if SEAT fail to do so due to addition of a chip.
He said other tuning companies were OK, and most certainly cheaper, but told me to stay away from Superchips (as if I needed telling).
The price of the RSD level 1 tune is £765 + VAT, this gets a reliable 195 Bhp, useable throughout rev range, and keeps boost to a max of 0.8 psi, which is the failsafe level. That price includes the warranty cover (may be cheaper for older cars, as we have 2 1/2 yrs warranty left). Level 2 option, getting 210 Bhp which has chip, Cat back exhaust, intake and Forge DV is £1380 + VAT:eek:

Out of all the companies, RSD inspired the most confidence, unfortunately, as they themselves said, the

Still dunno what to do, but kind of moot till we have more cash anyway.
 
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Stuart ............... we are all running different chips on here now anyway so you have a lot of people to ask about them on here!

IMHO ........... [email protected] Sport is the most rounded product and you will get looked after as well.

They all do roughly the same power anyway and most are within the same price bracket as well ;)

I wish you luck with whatever you choose ;)
 
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Originally posted by Cupra R
What are the intake modifications that RSD do to help the car reach 210bhp?
Its a enlarged inlet pipe to the turbo, you can get them from lots of companies such as impossible, autotechnic, star performance etc

All basically the same prices are between £150-£250

Good mod imho but RSD are the most expensive.
 
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Originally posted by Stuart
I made some calls yesterday to some providers of chips for the 20VT, to get info, thought people may be interested:

1. Stealth Racing, Southam, suppliers of APR chips - Very helpful on phone. They told me that they had had very few probs with AYP engines, and were reliably getting 200Bhp+ with all 20VT engines. When I asked about other mods to compliment chip, he said the only thing initially would be a Forge DV, but if standard DV not playing up it won't make too much difference.
The price for the APR chip, fitted is £449 + VAT. Advised against Induction kits and panel filters.

2. Jabbasport - Spoke to Elton, again very helpful. He told me that they were reliably getting anywhere between 200 and 22Bhp from their 20 VT chips, on both AQX and AYP engiones, and said they had had no probs with AYP engines. Reckoned they have a Golf 4 with the same engine there, running 400 Bhp! Said their chips wre better as they wre mapped individually to your engine as opposed to off the shelf.
Their price was £425 +VAT.

3. RSD - Had a very long and enlightening conversation with them. Warned away from mods such as induction kits etc. They told me that Oettinger, the chip they do, is the only one that is comparable to the standard chip, in that it does not bypass any systems, cause faults or anything adverse, as he said Oettingers designers had access to the VW/Audi programs for the chip, as opposed to other tuning companies whose chips may cause overboosting etc, and will bypass ECU's failsafe to achieve this, which can cause problems. He said that because of this they honour any warranty if SEAT fail to do so due to addition of a chip.
He said other tuning companies were OK, and most certainly cheaper, but told me to stay away from Superchips (as if I needed telling).
The price of the RSD level 1 tune is £765 + VAT, this gets a reliable 195 Bhp, useable throughout rev range, and keeps boost to a max of 0.8 psi, which is the failsafe level. That price includes the warranty cover (may be cheaper for older cars, as we have 2 1/2 yrs warranty left). Level 2 option, getting 210 Bhp which has chip, Cat back exhaust, intake and Forge DV is £1380 + VAT:eek:

Out of all the companies, RSD inspired the most confidence, unfortunately, as they themselves said, the

Still dunno what to do, but kind of moot till we have more cash anyway.
All chip tuner's are having problems with AYP engines, not sure why they are saying otherwise as some have be trying to find out what the problem is. RSD have, Jabbasport have and so have APR (I can even name the owner's of the car's if nessersary!)

unfortuanatly i think the companies have done there "sales pitch" on ya mate, The oettinger chip certainly doesn't keep boost to .8bar! ive seen 17psi (1.1bar) on them many times, and you can't "bypass the ECU boost threashold failsafe.

All the chips are good in their own right, all given virtually the same power and torque
 

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Originally posted by Stuart
3. RSD - Had a very long and enlightening conversation with them. Warned away from mods such as induction kits etc. They told me that Oettinger, the chip they do, is the only one that is comparable to the standard chip, in that it does not bypass any systems, cause faults or anything adverse, as he said Oettingers designers had access to the VW/Audi programs for the chip, as opposed to other tuning companies whose chips may cause overboosting etc, and will bypass ECU's failsafe to achieve this, which can cause problems. He said that because of this they honour any warranty if SEAT fail to do so due to addition of a chip.
He said other tuning companies were OK, and most certainly cheaper, but told me to stay away from Superchips (as if I needed telling).
The price of the RSD level 1 tune is £765 + VAT, this gets a reliable 195 Bhp, useable throughout rev range, and keeps boost to a max of 0.8 psi, which is the failsafe level. That price includes the warranty cover (may be cheaper for older cars, as we have 2 1/2 yrs warranty left). Level 2 option, getting 210 Bhp which has chip, Cat back exhaust, intake and Forge DV is £1380 + VAT:eek:

Out of all the companies, RSD inspired the most confidence, unfortunately, as they themselves said, the
LOL.

0.8bar max is 11.6psi (12psi)
I see 17psi boost spike on my RSD'd "210". :rolleyes:

Did another RR yesterday at Regal and got 189bhp from the "210" conversion. Never had it read more than 193bhp anywhere on anyones RR. (they must all be wrong then :p)

This chip seems to work better on some than on others. Mine has never worked to the claimed spec. :rolleyes:

Lee's runs good power as do a few other guys, but mine never has. Warranty was not worth the paper it was written on for me, so my advise is to not believe everything you are told no matter how good it seems or whoever tells you. There is a huge heap of BS around such claims.

APR and Jabbasport are the 2 main ones I would look to again if able to wind back the clock 12 months.

If you are able to get a tuner to do a before and after RR then you see exactly what you get, gains wise.
Stealth Racing with their APR one and Jabbasport with their own mapping can both offer this. Proof of gains is a must have I think, having been burned badly personally for significant ££.

Simply fitting a chip and saying you will get (x)bhp is not a guarantee that you will actually get this, even if TUV claims are made to substantiate this. All engines very, and Ibiza 20VT's seem to vary more than most for some (as yet) unknown reason.

A RR of before chip and after chip is nice proof of what you've paid for.

Good luck in this mindfield.

Bill

(waiting to be flamed - LOL :p)
 

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I know exactly what you are saying - they are all too helpful to a potential customer, but it's the after-sales that counts too. You can't beat word of mouth.

A lot of what I was told was over my head, so I didn't quote it - wish I knew more about it, but learning all the time.

I have also been told that local dealership, just a mile awayy from me luckily, aint too bothered about chips - one of their demos is APR tuned.

One think i'd like to do is maybe go along to a meet and try cars with different setups, see which I like, if anyone would be so kind, and also get peoples opinions of the chip they have, and the company.
 

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Originally posted by Stuart
I know exactly what you are saying - they are all too helpful to a potential customer, but it's the after-sales that counts too. You can't beat word of mouth.

A lot of what I was told was over my head, so I didn't quote it - wish I knew more about it, but learning all the time.

I have also been told that local dealership, just a mile awayy from me luckily, aint too bothered about chips - one of their demos is APR tuned.

One think i'd like to do is maybe go along to a meet and try cars with different setups, see which I like, if anyone would be so kind, and also get peoples opinions of the chip they have, and the company.
Your dealer having APR chipped motor is probably a good clue.
APR have a demo Ibiza as do Jabbasport. (not sure that the Jabbasport one is on the road tho as its morphing into a 330bhp monster :D)

Demo's are good. Well worth seeking out some owners of various types of conversion and making your own mind up. Don't get sucked into the sales pitch. It could end up in tears as has mine.

If people stand by their power claims with the before and after chip power runs, that goes a long way IMHO. Some of these firms do not have the facilities however, so can fit only.
APR have Stealth Racing as a distributor, who are superb with VAG cars and Vince is extremely knowledgable and experienced. They have their RR also for proper dyno plots.

Jabbasport map their own product on their own rollers, specific to the car in question, so every mapped car has its own bespoke, optimised and tailored map to suit the customers requirements. Jabbasport are specialists in forced induction VAG cars for some years now, and recently upgraded their RR to a 4WD one for the Audi cars.

Trax is soon, so my advise is to talk to the guys there and ask their own "customer" opinions on the products etc and how they found things like performance, reliability, after sales service, etc..

Good luck.
No matter who you go to tho, you will not want to revert to a stock car again... They all bring a smile to your face (well mostly:rolleyes: )
regards
Bill
 
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No flames Bill, as long as you give people the chance to find out for themselves.

Some people are quite happy with the "210" conversion and in all walks of life there is always a "sunday" car ;)

Stuart, I would PM Lee or Fishboy (Russ) and ask them how they got on with the RSD "210" conversion and then make up your own mind about it.

Speak to Whelme (Wayne) and Steve about the Jabbasport re-map.

Speak to Pete (ICE Man) About APR

Speak to either Ben (Parts Man) or me about the Upsolue Chip
 

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Originally posted by CupraSi
No flames Bill, as long as you give people the chance to find out for themselves.

Some people are quite happy with the "210" conversion and in all walks of life there is always a "sunday" car ;)

Sunday car.... yep! Got me one of them. :(
or should it be a Friday siesta car...

The differences are in how companies deal with things when they don't go right. "take it or leave it" is'nt the right thing to say tho is it.

Roll on the IHI...from Jabba :D
Hopefully it will sort itself out (or blow up knowing my luck-LOL)

I would'nt want anyone to find out for themselves what I have experienced tho.... That would be another sucker to add to the list.

Plenty of peeps running a selection of chipped motors and Trax has most of them in one spot too :)
No better place than to ask genuine non biased customers for their experiences and opinion.

You have to live with the consequences of whatever you buy, so best it be a good product which does everything you expect it to. Go in eyes wide open, and don't fall for the sales pitch. All that glitters is'nt Gold.

regards
Bill
 

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I'd just like to point out that even though i am a RSD customer...and a rather loyal one at that...if a person asks me for advice on chips for a 20VT (like this welsh guy did at Weston Wheels)...I will give you my un-baised, independent view on this most fascinating subject! :)

That will include my views on all the currently available 20VT chips out there...honest!

I thank you!

Lee
 
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